#JustAddGratitude Podcast

Intro:                  Welcome to the #JustAddGratitude podcast. Here you’ll discover inspiring stories of personal and professional growth, Level 3 Fun, marketing tips, business development and travel adventures from entrepreneurs, digital nomads and creatives alike. Now, sit back, grab a drink and take a 30-minute gratitude break with your host Shannon Kuykendall.

Shannon:            Hey, Jordon, welcome to the #JustAddGratitude podcast. How are you doing today?

Jordan Carroll

Jordon:               It’s been an amazing day. Walking around Portland, I’ve been nomadic around to different places pretty much all day. So you know how I love my Portland and it’s great to be here.

Shannon:           Well, thank you. I really appreciate you coming and being my second episode. You got to stay with me last week for about 10 days and something pretty major was happening in your life. Would you like to tell my listeners what that was?

Jordon:               Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for having me as I was also the first guest in your new house here in Portland. So first guest at your house, second guest of the podcast. So I’m making all sorts of waves in your life too, which is fantastic. As far as what happened in my life the past couple of weeks, I left my full-time job to go all-in on my coaching business and it was not the first time I have made a move from a full-time job to entrepreneurship. But this time, I feel a lot more prepared and I feel it’s right. So yeah, you kind of caught me right as all that stuff was going down.

Shannon:           Well, and how many hours were you working? So I traveled with Jordan. Just a little backstory. I traveled with Jordan for about four months this year. We were in Lima, Peru, [inaudible 00:02:02] you did go to, yeah, Santiago, Chile and then Mexico City.

Jordon:               Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Shannon:           And I originally met Jordan in November of last year for Thanksgiving for the first time in Mexico City. And he worked for the company that I traveled with called Remote Year. So he just recently left them to go out on his own. So I watched you kind of figure out what the next steps were going to be. You had a full schedule and then all of a sudden you’re sitting in my living room and you’re going, “Oh, man, what do I do? Where do I go?” You had things you knew you could do and you have coaches but you just were in this space of like an in-between, “What the hell, man?”

Friendsgiving in Mexico City, Mexico November 2018: Jordan and I are on the left. Jordan is the one who looks afraid. And I, of course, have a bottle of wine in my hand.

Jordon:               Yeah, it was, it was kind of a shock to the system I guess because I had a very demanding job at Remote Year and when I say demanding, a lot of calls that I would have each day. I was in their program placement division, which is basically sales. So we had metrics around the sales that we needed to do, which included calls and talk time and just being proactive and reaching out to people that are interested in our programs. And first and foremost, just the company’s amazing. Remote Year has changed my life fundamentally. The people within it. The community and obviously, meeting you through Remote Year. You meet just a lot of really amazing people and the idea that I was going to leave, it hadn’t occurred to me seriously until about the past month or two and I finally came to a breaking point where I had to do it. I just felt like I had to do it and it wasn’t out of anything wrong with the company. It was more of what I felt I needed to do for my personal and professional career and just the next steps in my life.

Shannon:           It’s about, you got to take the leap.

Jordon:               Yeah.

Shannon:           You either take the risk or you don’t. Yeah, you can keep your job and play it safe.

Jordon:               It’s a risk either way.

Shannon:           Yeah, so I commend you on that. I know how scary that can be. I’ve done that a couple of times.

Jordon:               Yeah. Well thank you, and you’re right. The first week of it was basically when I had been staying at your place and just another background, I’m nomadic right now, so I don’t live in any place for longer than either a month to three months. So I’m constantly kind of moving around to different cities, different countries and staying with people a lot of the times that I know because if you were to have to get an Airbnb in every single spot, [crosstalk 00:04:44] it can add up.

Jordon:               Yeah. It adds up really quickly. It’s also a good way to get closer with people that maybe you had as an acquaintance and now all of a sudden you’re living with them for an extended period of time, whether it’s a week or whether it’s a couple of days, whatever it is. It’s just a good opportunity to have that time to interact. And I was kind of sitting at the table just like, “Man, I have a lot more free time than I’ve had traditionally in the past a year. So what do I want to fill that with as far as things that are meaningful? That are going to move the needle with my business? That are a fun?” And just kind of taking a moment and taking about a week to really embrace that uncertainty but also be okay with not having to do everything all the time.

Jordon:               I think I was working 50, 60 hours a week in that role, and then I also had my coaching business as a side business at that time. So I was working just a ton and now that I’m able to put and allocate all that time towards my personal stuff, there’s just a different perspective that I need to have and a different self-motivation that I need to have. So I gave myself last week to be open to all the new things that were going to come, all the opportunities and just kind of breathe, settle in. Yeah. Have gratitude.

Shannon:           Have gratitude.

Jordon:               On brand.

Shannon:           Very good, there you go. What have been some of the challenges that you’ve come across since the departure?

Jordon:               Well, I think the first thing for me was evaluating again, all the time, right? Because I’m very much governed by my calendar, so when I was working full time at an organization in their sales division, a lot of the calls that would come onto my calendar would be put there by potential clients. Right? Or there would be meetings that would occur each week with my internal team. And those were expected blocks of time that I would have each week. And I think when you’re working for a company, you have this structure that is provided to you, and then when you leave that company, you’re creating the structure entirely yourself.

Shannon:           Well, you have to be self-motivated.

Jordon:               Yeah.

Shannon:           You’re the one that’s got to get up, When people ask me, “How can you work from home?” And I said, “You know what? Keeping a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food in my belly, that’s my fricking motivation.” When I first started business, I had a child. So I mean there’s your motivation. You’ll figure it out.

Jordon:               Yeah. And I think tapping into those things and figuring out what it is that does motivate you, understanding your needs, all very important, and then actually putting that into practice, so there’re multiple layers. There’s one layer that’s working remotely, which is already a very heavy self-motivating task or way to work, and then the other layer on top of that is entrepreneurship, which is hugely self-motivated. So I basically, was working one half of that where I was working for a company fully-remotely, which, which does take a lot of motivation. But when I’m working with team members and I have a manager to report to and there’re calls coming in, those things, which were a little bit out of my control in some elements, I would be externally accountable to them. Now, I’m not. So my initial reaction was how do I create another level of external accountability in my life that I’m going to have to answer to somebody? And I think that that was really important was to join programs and invest in coaching and find people that I could surround myself with that would help me accelerate my progression.

Shannon:           Very good. While you were here, you were reading a few books, weren’t you?

Jordon:               Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Shannon:           And listening to podcasts. For you, what are you currently reading or what would you like anybody who wants to start a business or maybe even take the risk of leaving a current job to start their own business, is there a book that has really helped you?

Jordon:               Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, and actually one of my coaches recommended it to me because of where I was at. I read The Big Leap.

The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks – The link for this book is below in the resources section.

Shannon:           Ah, great book.

Jordon:               A few weeks ago by a Gay Hendricks and I just finished it, it was the last book that I read. It talks about the upper-limit problem that we all have basically accepting success and happiness and things into our lives based on the experiences we had when we were kids. So we carry all these different emotions and things that kind of hold us back and keep this ceiling to how much success we allow ourselves to have and how much happiness we allow ourselves to have, whether that be relationships, jobs, potential friendships and partnerships. All those things. So once we’ve taste enough success that we hit that limit and we go over it, we always bring ourselves back. We tell ourselves, “We’re not good enough,” or we make excuses or justifications of why we can’t do something.

Shannon:           The inner-dialogue.

Jordon:               Yeah, and it’s crazy because I saw so many of those symptoms in this leap for me in just how I was talking to myself and the different thoughts that would come to mind. So once you can recognize that, and I think awareness is often the first step to any progress is you have to be aware of it first. An alcoholic’s not going to change until he knows that he has a drinking problem, right. So similar thing.

Shannon:           Admitting that there is a problem is always the first step.

Jordon:               Yeah. You got to you got to be able to diagnose yourself like a doctor would in as far as the awareness of those problems. So I knew that, “Shit, I’ve got this upper-limit problem that I don’t think I can do this. I don’t think I can actually make this transition,” and a lot of those limiting beliefs were embedded in who I am. So you actually have to change your complete belief system-

Shannon:           Yes, you do.

Jordon:               … which is incredibly difficult if you’ve ever grown up in society because society throws you all these beliefs that you should have. Your parents indoctrinate you as a kid, and they do so, hopefully, lovingly, right? And a lot of parents try their best and no parent is going to do anything perfect. But you’re given a set of circumstances that create those beliefs, and I think you need to be, one, become aware of those beliefs and then also understand what is the success mantras and things that you’re going to use in your life to overcome that? And I actually have the success mantra from that book on my background.

Shannon:           On your Mac? Can you read it to us?

Jordon:               Yeah, “I expand in abundance, success and love every day as I inspire others to do the same.”

Shannon:           Oh, that’s beautiful.

Jordon:               Yeah, I made it to my background on my phone.

Shannon:           It’s always great to have something like that. Something motivational that you’re going to be looking at. And most of us look at our phones several times a day. So if you’ve got something there on your background that reminds you to stay centered, stay focused, live in gratitude, that’s fantastic.

Jordon:               Evokes emotion. What’s your background?

Shannon:           My picture is of a three-hour sunset that was taken in Colonia, Uruguay in June of last year, and stunning.

Sunset in Uruguay June 2018
The Sunset in Uruguay started out like this – June 2018
Zach, Sun, Me, Stanley

Jordon:               That picture for you evokes emotion or what does it bring up?

Shannon:           I spent two days with four people, and we watched a three-hour sunset during, I believe it was called the longest day of the year.

Jordon:               Cool.

Shannon:           And I grew up on the beach, grew up at the coast in Cambria, California. I’ve seen many, many sunsets. My dad takes pictures of the sunset just about every day. This was the longest, and by far the most beautiful, there’s no such thing as a bad sunset. But this is the one that I just hold in my heart, and it had to do with the people that I was with and the time, so it was a really great … It also, I was coming out of a bit of depression as well, so it just really made me happy.

3 hours later… One of the most spectacular sunsets I’ve had the privilege of witnessing.

Jordon:               That’s amazing.

Shannon:           One of the things that I have is part of my description for my show is I have something in there called Level 3 Fun. And most people probably don’t know what Level 3 Fun is, but those of us who have participated in Remote Year, and the Remote Year community now is a little over 2,000 people. What is Level 3 Fun?

Jordon:               Yeah, well, I think we’d be remiss and not define level one and two as well, right?

Shannon:           Absolutely.

Jordon:               So from a Remote Year perspective, I believe someone at Remote Year created that. Was it Travis, possibly?

Shannon:           I think it might be Travis.

Jordon:               I’m not entirely sure. But basically, Level 1 Fun is not necessarily really getting you outside of your comfort zone. It’s something that is enjoyable, fun, kind of within the realm of usually what you do or not something that’s totally out there, but it does provide some sort of pleasure or happiness, right?

Shannon:           Well, and also my take away from it was everything went according to plan.

Jordon:               Sure. Gotcha.

Shannon:           Just it’s not overstimulating but also you’ve made this plan and everything would perfectly.

Jordon:               Yeah, and then Level 2 is going to be a little bit further from that. It’s things didn’t necessarily go to plan, but you weren’t ever in danger, or you weren’t ever in a situation where you were so far outside of your comfort zone that you really push your boundaries and limits, and it’s still a good place to be, I think, in a lot of circumstances. A lot of people talk about level two being a good place to be because you’re not in danger. Level 3, yeah-

Shannon:           We’re pushing ourselves a little outside our comfort zone.

Jordon:               Yeah, and then Level 3, from my understanding, is there’s probably some danger involved. There’s a little bit more risk than you necessarily bargain for. You’re in a position where you’re way outside your comfort zone and things are happening that either were not planned, or you just from that experience reflecting back can smile on it, but in the time that you were there probably were freaked out or just taken way beyond where you traditionally are.

Shannon:           So do you have a Level 3 story?

Jordon:               Yeah, so I think where I go to for this is my experience with Ayahuasca.

Shannon:           Ah, I wanted to go on that trip, very cool.

Jordon:               Yeah, and we’d actually talked about going together to that, and it was Level 3 because I could’ve never been in a place to know what was going to come out of it and I had certain expectations, but even just the boat ride over there in the slow boat, and you’re basically, what had happened was I went to a five-day Iowaska retreat and having never done Ayahuasca before, and if you don’t know what Ayahuasca is, it’s a plant medicine that has been around for centuries in the Amazonian jungle. Multiple different plants are basically combined in a stew that activates DMT. So whenever you drink it, you basically have a DMT trip, which is a hallucinogen, and you go through all these different types of experiences, and the people in those regions have been using this as a plant medicine for the longest time, right?

Shannon:           Centuries.

Jordon:               It’s passed on from generations, centuries and centuries. So it’s made its way over to the Western world in some ways. But I think if you’re going to have it and experience that it should be in its root origin, the closer you can get to where it’s actually made, and the more legitimate I think it can become when you’re with shamans from those regions. So we went into it, the five-day retreat and one of the first things we did that was Level 3 for me was Kambo, which is frog poison. So you basically use that-

Shannon:           Oh, my goodness.

Jordon:               You use that to cleanse yourself before doing Ayahuasca. So the day of in the morning, and if you could see, I have three dots on my arm here.

Shannon:           Oh, I see it.

Jordon:               They basically burn the holes in your arm with a stick that they light on fire and then they take the secretion from the frog, and they put it into those holes, and they just dab it on. You immediately, blood rushes to your head. And I knew it was going to happen, but holy shit, there was not something that could have prepared me for it. You basically shit and throw up for 30 straight minutes, almost uncontrollably, and I was just like-

Two minutes into Kambo: The purge is coming…

Shannon:           And you’re aware?

Jordon:               Oh, yeah, yeah, totally aware. Totally in it, totally feeling it. It feels like your head is just underwater in this intense pressure. Like if you were in a submarine, I don’t know if a submarine or something is the right word, but you’re at the bottom of the ocean. That’s the pressure that’s happening, and it’s hot, and you’re just like, “Ugh,” and I was just, yeah-

Shannon:           Not pretty, right?

Jordon:               Yeah. There was nothing left in me, and you’re chugging water. You have to chug like three liters of water.

Shannon:           While this is happening, so it is 30 minutes.

Jordon:               While it’s happening because otherwise, you’re dry heaving, so you’re throwing up bile and just the water that you’re drinking, it’s meant to just be very cleansing. So that was the first part of it that I was like, “Oh, my God, what did I do? Why am I here?” Like, “This is a little out of my league.”

Shannon:           I paid to be here.

Jordon:               Yeah. And I paid for this. What? So we did that, and I have a very comprehensive article on all this stuff online for anybody who wishes to learn more about Ayahuasca and plant medicine in general.

Shannon:           I’ll be sure to add the link.

Jordon:               Okay, cool. But that experience, I mean, Oh, my God. At one point, I thought I was a Jaguar and I had taken off like most of my clothes, and it was very primitive. And we went through the night just experiencing quite a range of emotions from what they call ego-death to where you basically take down your identity and your ego to the lowest form and rebuild it back up as far as who you think you are, what you think’s important. The concept of time was non-existent. You just go through so many different stimuli. Yeah, it was a lot. And it was five to six hours of that, and then that was just from one ceremony and I’ve done it six times now. So have different experiences pretty much every time but that first time that I did it and nothing can compare to that.

Shannon:           Well, because it’s the first time, it’s the new one. So for you, what kind of growth have you seen from yourself by having that experience? Because people come from that heavily changed in the most miraculous of ways.

Jordon:               Yeah. And I want to give you like a practical example because I think that it’s easy to have all these theoretical high-level wu wei takeaways. I really, in that moment, was able to analyze the difference between my thoughts and my ego and my opinion on those thoughts. So the example would be the girl next to me was not having a good experience. She was freaking out, crying hysterically, very loud in a quiet room. It was quiet except for her making gibberish noises. We didn’t know what she was … it seemed like she was channeling some sort of demon, honestly. It was kind of scary. But I’m sitting there in my experience and judging her because I was so upset that she was “ruining my trip” by being loud and being obnoxious and doing this. And at one point in my experience it flipped, and when, I mean it flipped, I mean, my perspective flipped on the situation where all of a sudden I gained so much compassion for the fact that she was going through that, that it was then my duty to pray for her and be there for her.

Jordon:               And I was able to recognize the fact that that was happening without attaching my judgment to it, without attaching my opinion to it. So then all of a sudden it became, she’s having her experience, this is neither good, this is neither bad, but how do I want to show up gratitude and love? So then I started praying out loud saying, “It’s going to be okay. It’s going to be okay,” and then I would start verbalizing just more affirmations for her. And I found that other people in the room were starting to do it too. And then all of a sudden we had kind of banded together to create an environment where she was, hopefully, understanding that our energy was-

Jordon:               … compassionate. It was not being in a place of judgment. That’s just one small thing. Now, that I can apply that to that situation, I could look at that in life and now I’m like, okay, if I’m on the road and someone cuts me off or someone is whatever my first assumption is, “Oh, what if they lost their job today? What if they recently lost a family member?” And say that they were being rude or whatever, it’s not about me.

Shannon:           Personality.

Jordon:               It’s never about me. It’s always about whatever that person’s going through. So to distinguish that and then be able to apply it beyond this, I actually, this voice started appearing in my head that now will come up when I’m feeling impatient, or I’m feeling someone is doing something to me and I will just say in the back of my head, and I’m not even prompting it. It’ll just come up and it’ll say, “The world doesn’t revolve around you.” I’m just like, “Oh, you’re right.”

Shannon:           Damn it. LOL

Jordon:             LOL,  I wish it did.

Shannon:           No, I think that’s actually really great and very, very healthy, and I wish more people did that. I know there’s room for improvement for all of us, but that is something that anytime I’m in a situation, mostly when it’s me being impatient. I want it to hurry, the process to hurry, and it’s just about you’ve got to be patient, it isn’t about you, in whatever situation you’re thinking about. So, Jordan, tell our listeners where they can find you. You’ve got a website, you’re going to share some articles, and I’ll post the book. But how do they find you and get in touch with you? And actually, before you do that, what is it exactly that you do?

Jordan Carroll after the Spartan race in Seattle 2019

Jordon:               Yeah, so my venture that I’m going all-in on now is teaching high-performers and helping high-performers find legitimate remote jobs that they can do from anywhere. So what does that mean? Well, I’ve seen a lot of people out there teaching how to be an influencer, how to be an entrepreneur, how to be a freelancer, how to start your own business, all those things. That’s not at all what I’m looking to teach people. What I’m looking to teach people is how to systemize their job search specifically for remote jobs. Because there are a lot of companies that are now going remote, or they have a fraction of their company that is remote, or they’re at least having to consider how remote work principles and policies are going to apply to their company, and this is not a fad.

Shannon:           No, this is the future, people.

Jordon:               The future of what’s happening in our job market places that companies are becoming more distributed, not only throughout the United States but throughout the world, and that’s creating talent pools of different people that companies can reach in different areas for a lower cost because they’re not having to pay for real estate. They’re utilizing talent that’s in other countries that can be hired at a lower wage as well.

Jordon:               So what we’re seeing, in effect, is that really high-performing individuals who have jobs that they can do on their computer, or they have talents and skills that they can capitalize on to do fully remote is we’re seeing them put pressure on companies to have more flexible working conditions so that they can be at home with their families, work from home, have that flexibility or they can travel while they’re doing it or they can just work from a coffee shop if they want to. So there’re a lot of different use cases. I talked to a woman today who is a mother. She has a kid who’s a few years old and her biggest desire to work remotely is to be there for her kid because she doesn’t feel like it needs to be a compromise. And here’s a woman who has, for her company, she’s an eCommerce specialist at her company has increased their sales 300% in the past year and a half since she’s been there that she can directly attribute her performance.

Shannon:           Yeah, that’s her part in it.

Jordon:               Yeah.

Shannon:           And so being able to work remotely, well, I mean, and she’s got a small child. I mean she’s proven already that she can perform for the job as well as she just wants more time to take care of her child or spend more time. These are precious years when they’re this young.

Jordon:               It’s choosing which part of my day am I going to be able to be most productive and effective? If she’s working, and she talked about her specific work preference. She’s like, “I love to wake up at 5:00 AM, get my cup of coffee in my hand, I’m ready and that is when I’m knock out the most of my work, and my output is incredible.” And she’s like, “Why do I have to be in a seat from nine to five? That doesn’t make sense. It’s completely antiquated.” So what we’re going to see more and more as these other generations who have adopted remote work so easily is that companies are going to start remote now. They’re not going to want to spend money on office space. There’s no reason to.

Shannon:           Well, it’s a waste of money to have that kind of overhead. Put it into the business. Don’t put it into a building.

Jordon:               Yep. 100%.

Shannon:           Garages work just fine. LOL

Jordon:               They do. They do. Absolutely. So my particular process is, well I have a few different ways of helping people, and I think any good coach or consultant has different tiers of working with people. So I have kind of the free tier of just content, my newsletter, checklists and eBooks and things that I want to provide to people who can’t necessarily afford to work with a coach or consultant.

Shannon:           Not one on one.

Jordon:               But need to at least have some of those basic materials and content available to them, and that’s what I’m going to be really focusing on as far as putting more content out there and things because people will see that and if they want to work with me, and they have the means to, they will, right?

Shannon:           Yes. They will.

Jordon:               Secondarily, is some lower forms, maybe books, hard copy books that I’m going to be selling and different courses that are going to be a little bit more accessible monetarily, and then there’s kind of the one on one coaching. So, depending on the level of support that someone needs and feels like, “Hey, I want to come at this for eight weeks and I want to go all-in and I need someone who’s going to be there from each week and in between those sessions to game plan and to strategize.” I want to be there for those folks and I want to be there to make free content for people who can’t do that.

Shannon:           Who aren’t ready yet.

Jordon:               Yeah.

Shannon:           Do you think you’ll ever have your own podcast?

Jordon:               Yes.

Shannon:           Cool.

Jordon:               I do.

Shannon:           I look forward to that.

Jordon:               Yeah, so actually what’s funny and, as we’ve been talking, this is been brewing in my mind, I’m going on a trip in October to Mexico. It’s a kind of an influencer trip sponsored by Selina. So I’ll be there for 12 days for free in all of their hostels with meals and all that stuff, and it’s a competition that I won, which is fantastic.

Shannon:           Congratulations.

Jordon:               Thank you.

Shannon:           He got the notice for that while he was here.

Jordon:               Yeah, and you were right there. So one of the things I’m going to do I think is reach out to different brands like podcasting brands that might be able to sponsor me or provide equipment that I can use while traveling that will basically make sense for them from an advertisement perspective to have me using those and have other people who are on the trip kind of championing their equipment or whatever it is. So I’ve got some things working here.

Shannon:           See, there you go. That’s a great idea.

Jordon:               Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if not that then in a few months’ time I will be doing that. What I’m trying to do now is figure out how do I structure how much client activity I’m going to need to do each week and figure out how much time I want to spend on content, and these are all experiments so we’ll see.

Shannon:           It’s all trial and error. You’re going to come up with a plan, it’s going to probably last for about three months, could last for six and then you’re going to pivot.

Jordon:               Or a week.

Shannon:           Or a week. Just know that it’s a natural part of the process. I think sometimes people worry when you make a lot of changes over a period of time or a really short period of time that you don’t know what you’re doing. But the thing is is as business owners, we’re constantly testing out strategies and theories and trying to find the one that works the best. Give me a couple of things that you’re grateful for.

Jordon:               Yeah. Grateful for you-

Shannon:           Thank you.

Jordon:               Because you let me stay at your place for way too long.

Shannon:           It was only 10 days, but I had to share my bathroom.

Jordon:               Yeah.

Shannon:           Anybody who knows me knows I don’t like to share my bathroom.

Jordon:               Yeah. No one likes to share their bathroom. That’s incredibly gracious of you. I’m also grateful for the Portland sun when it’s out, and you’re just walking around this city. The vibes are amazing, and it’s just so nice. Grateful for my trip to Austin this upcoming week, which is going to be just a whole lot of fun seeing other friends and getting to have some experiences there, and yeah, there’s so much stuff I’m grateful for. But let’s stick with three. I like three, it’s a round number. Well, not a round number, but it’s a good number.

Shannon:           Okay, well, very good. Well, Jordan, thank you. I really appreciate you and I appreciate you taking the time to be my second guest on #JustAddGratitude.

Jordon:               Number two. Well, thank you so much for having me.

Shannon:           Absolutely! Well, that’s the wrap for our second episode of #JustAddGratitude. Thank you for joining us and thank you, Jordan, for being here as my guest. If you really enjoyed the show, please leave a comment, leave a review, subscribe to my channel, and always remember, if you want to add positive changes to your life, just add gratitude.

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